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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 30, 2006 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

All the responses here are equally valid and some very thoughtful as well. As for me, and I realize it is a very personal opinion, whether or not Saddam was executed became mute a very long time ago. It is just another example of how America's foreign policy has come back to bite us in the ass. They say that it is ultimately our responsibility because it is us who elect the leaders. Not so sure I buy into that anymore. The leaders that are put before us to elect in the first place are put there by the power brokers who are gambling on who they can get the most out of once elected. The entire system needs an overhaul from the inside out. Who can do that? I'm not smart enough to answer that. What I do know, however, is that the current government (Dems and Repubs alike) have created a situation that puts my son in harms way for reasons based on fabrication and emotional grudges. I will pray everyday for our troops and the common Iraqi just trying to live through another day. Will Saddam's execution make a difference? No. Did he deserve to die? Yes, if you believe in capital punishment. Will it mean we'll pull out any sooner? No. It's too late to stop what has been started, but we can alter how it ends. I just pray that my son and his comrades can make it out while they figure out what the hell we're actually going to do.
OK, putting the soapbox away.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Dec 30, 2006 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

why is your son in the military ?? does he believe in what he is there fighting for ??
i work with a woman who's son was killed by a roadside bomb. he was only 20 and due to come home in 2 weeks . but you know what ..she isnt protesting or calling for bush's head . cause her son believed in what he was sent there for and she is gonna respect that. she's proud of her son and what he was doing and that's maybe how you should feel - i understand you want him home and safe and i do hope he does come home safe ..this is drawn out but it was needed to be done ..maybe not exactly how it was done ..but it was needed..sorry if i sound out of line ..

is war good NO..is it necessary ?? YES..sometimes it is...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 30, 2006 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

OK, tread very lightly here my friend. DO NOT QUESTION MY SON'S MOTIVATIONS. If that was not your intent, I aplogize. If it was, it was extremely out of place.

"...she's proud of her son and what he was doing and that's maybe how you should feel"

You must be joking with that shit. There is no way in hell I could be any prouder of my son or what he is doing. I can be proud of him and what he does AND not agree with his commanders all at the same time. If you took your head out of your ass for a second or two and read some of my older posts, I spend a great deal of time bragging about my son. Do you have a son or daughter in the military? If not, do not presume to know what it is like. Sure, you may know someone who knows someone, but there is no way you can feel inside what is is like to have your family there or, god forbid, taken from you. My son knew what he was getting into when he joined the service, he's not stupid. Is everyone who joins the armed forces saying "Hey, this looks like fun, I'm sure it will never be dangerous". No. He knew he would be spending time in Iraq and people would try to kill him, but he also knew that he could not alter the fact that we were there, but that he might be able to help keep some people alive a little longer. I don't think the Army is looking for mindless automotons incabable of independent thought. My son has his personal opinions, but he knows they are just that, personal. He is fully committed to serve his country honorably, even if he may not fully agree with the motivations that drive his commanders. He feels that the opportunities afforded him through his service far outweigh the negatives. My son is proud to serve in the Army and feels his presence can make a difference, no matter how small.
OK, you can see I'm a little sensitive on this subject. Sorry, but the past couple of years has been EXTREMELY stressful on my wife and me.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2006-12-30 16:47:34

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Poster: Fishead Date: Dec 30, 2006 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

let's see a co worker /friends son was killed over there

yeah you are so right i don't know what it's like cause i have no family over there ..yep that's right friends arent family and i guess seeing his picture everyday and seeing his mother everyday doesnt remind of what she's goin through ..

sorry you misundertood what i was saying..i appologize

and hope 2007 is mush better for you and your wife!!
peace and jerry on!!!

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 30, 2006 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

I am in no way saying that you can not experience pain over someone's loss. But the feeling inside of losing a child, while the parent may try to explain it to you, is something that can only be felt by the parent. Not having had a child taken from me, I will never say that I know how it feels. What I can say, however, is that I know what it's like to watch the news and hear about a roadside bomb taking American lives and then having to live in fear for the next day or two, scared to answer the phone or the knock on the door knowing that you could get news that would cause you're entire world to crumble. I can't say I know how your co-worker feels and I hope I never do, but it may happen and that fear lives with me every day. Do you know how that feels? I hope you never have to find out.
OK, let's just agree to leave my son or my pride in him out of any more discussions, I've made my feelings known. Let's get back to music.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Dec 30, 2006 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

i wasnt questioning his pride just currious as to why he joined up that's all and if he was for the war as some soldiers aren't ...that's all.. didnt mean to accuse you of not supporting him as i was just trying to give a comparison to the lady i work with and how she was handling the situation. cause maybe she would be acting different if her son wasnt for the war . that's all wasnt trying to start anything ..

agree let's move on and like i said hoping for a better 2007 ....

edit" just as i finnished " war" comes on the radio...what is it good for ..absolutly nothin'....that's my cue..

off to gov't mule & mississippi allstars up in new york tonite!!!!

peace !!!

This post was modified by Fishead on 2006-12-30 17:59:53

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 30, 2006 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

Thank you, sir.
This is why I believe subjects of such a serious nature may best be left for other venues as they can at time take away from the real purpose of this place. Back to music indeed.
Now let's see, as for me, I always felt Jerry was a Boxer man.

Peace to everyone and let's hope for a better New Year where fewer parents have to grieve a lost son/daughter, be they American or Iraqi.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Dec 30, 2006 8:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: he's gone

War is a neccesary evil. To say that your own child's death doing what they belived to be righteous was not anything other than an honorable sacrifice is our right, but it is not RIGHT. I would be highly offended if my family minimized my selfless sacrifice to protect my nation's global interests, even if I did not share them. That would be like cursing your uncle steve because he invested his savings into a stock you did not like is a ground for executing Bernake. Free will... we all have a choice and if we have it our way the whole world will. If they choose to squander their chance at salvation and opportunity so be it. To not give them a chance is unforgivable. That last part was a bit partisan but I am on a roll.. about to get into it with Directv if they don't show up in 35 minutes...

Whether you agree with the war or not, place the blame where it belongs 51% of the people who voted for the guy. I think everyone is tired of the bush bashing. I got sick of the Clinton bashing, didn't everyone?